Volume 5 - Issue 06
H: Swami, some tragedy happens to a person, and they try to find a reason for it in the actions of this lifetime.
SAI: Yes, that can be.
H: But I thought that all that happens in this life is the result of our behaviour in past existences.
SAI: Not always. Something could happen with its cause in this life.
The Goal is to Realise Our Divinity
H: Swami, please restate or redefine the goal, the objective of the American Sathya Sai Organization.
Each member of the Sathya Sai Baba Center should work very hard to purify the quality of his life, and the goal should be to lead a perfect life, an ideal life; to be an ideal exemplar of the divine teachings of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
The world will respond to the ideal life of a Sai devotee. The world is yearning for the ideal life and will, of its own accord, adopt such a life if it comes into view. They will respond, and they will follow such a life.
H: Swami, does that mean that our Centers should now move beyond the task of working with Center members and tackle the world?
SAI: The Center members must carefully work to become truly human before they venture to instruct the world.
SAI: How do you like the pictures? (i.e. portrait photographs for the college building to be dedicated on the 23rd).
Robert Bozzani (RB): We were afraid they were too large.
SAI: They are not too large. Swami’s picture will be the same size. Do you like the pictures?
H: Bozzani looks like a movie star!
SAI: No, no. He is smiling, whereas Mrs. Bozzani is more serious. Come, sit down.
Evolution to the Human
SAI: At the center everything is liquid.
RB: Does Swami mean the world?
SAI: Yes, everything is melted. No temperature.
RB: No heat, Swami?
H: But all must come to be humans in order to merge with God, is it not so?
SAI: Not totally so. There is love.
H: Then, can man take a further step and go into the world above the senses.
SAI: That is possible.
H: But is it not possible to realize the Self, or merge with God, while in the human state?
SAI: Oh, yes. That can be done.
H: Does Swami mean that both possibilities exist, that man could go one way or the other?
SAI: Yes, one way or the other.
H: Then what makes the difference? What is the difference in man that he would make one choice or the other?
Realising God Through Love
SAI: Love is the dominant reason. Compassionate love is pure love, unselfish. In the animal there is love, but it is mixed with lust. But compassion is pure love. Only man has compassion. Through love he may realize the oneness of life, and in this way, by love, he will be one with God.
H: Swami, that is a wonderful explanation. The difference is very clear, and very important to understand.
SAI: Pure love, Divine love is everything.
RB: How do human beings realize and become that divine, pure compassionate !ove?
SAI: It will come with sadhana. There is a big mistake in the consideration of meditation as the principal sadhana. What is meditation? Meditation controls the mind. It is mental. The genuine sadhana is that pure love which is not different from the Divine.
H: In America , when they hear of Sai, some people declare that he is the Anti-Christ.
SAI: Some individual ideas of some people. Goldstein has individual ideas. Hislop has individual ideas. I know what is not good, and I know what is good. All my ideas and actions are based on what is good for the world. I am pure, I have no worries, I have no anxieties, I am happy always, I have no anger. I want nothing, take nothing, do nothing for myself. All I think, all I do at all times is for the good of the world.
SAI: Yes, to follow Swami is the important thing. To follow this example is best.
RB: I am trying to follow Swami's instructions.
SAI: Trying? Trying is no good. Do it! Do it!
H: We can ask Swami for strength!
SAI: I will give strength! Sometimes there is wavering of faith in Sai. Thoughts arise, "Why does Sai do this? Why does He do that?" Peter was near and dear to Christ. But he denied Christ.
H: Did he deny Christ because of fear for the safety of his body? Because of feeling that he was the body?
H: I pray that my faith in Sai will not waver.
SAI: The important thing is to do good and be good. Do not see the bad. See only the good.
Swami’s Work Never Ends (Conversation while in a car)
SAI: Amongst the spiritual leaders of India there is some jealousy.
H: But they do not have public works. Only Swami is doing that.
SAI: Sai Baba is working for the public twenty-four hours a day. Even the interviews are public work. Twenty-four hours per day, 365 days per year. Not even one holiday.
H: But that is beyond man. It is possible only for the Divine.SAI: Yes. Only for the Divine. I need no holiday. I am always happy, always in bliss.
(To be continued...)
– Heart2Heart Team
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